TinyMe boots to login screen

[caieng]

mike Wrote:The Live CD of these boots fine.

Oops.
Not for me.

IBM thinkpad a21.  Boots Puppy linux fine.

starts out ok, LIVE CD selected, else by default.  Firstscreen ok.  typed "esc" for verbose mode:  OK down to Probing SCSI devices.  There it hangs.

Computer number two:  ten years old.  PIII, works well with both Crunchbang and Puppy, as well as Slackware.

Boot with TinyMe starts out ok, (better than Thinkpad) reaches LOGIN screen.
???

LOGIN screen???

What's that?
Is this a Live CD????

WHose idea was this????

Absurd.

RIDICULOUS

really angry at such stupidity.  How would anyone know the login identification?  IT IS A DEMONSTRATION CD, please, WAKE UP.  Hello?????
Is anyone at this forum alive?  Or is the entire enterprise run by robots?

[KDulcimer]

Caieng,

TinyMe 2010 Beta 2 does not boot to a login screen. It first runs through a setup wizard and then a dialog is shown which gives you the usernames and passwords. Please make sure you have the correct release and check the md5sum.

[evans_christopher]

  caieng-I don't know what your going on about. TinyMe beta2 (and for that matter beta1 as well, even though a little buggy) both ran perfectly fine on my Compaq deskpro en. P3 coppermine @733MHz. As a suggestion I would recommend asking about things a little more respectfully though. This is a beta release and things aren't all going to be bug-free. If you cannot deal with small problems(by the way, on most live Cd's nowadays the guest password is guest, and the root password is root, confusing, I know) I would suggest waiting for the final release when all the bugs have been worked out.

[caieng]

Thank you both, for your comments, much appreciated.

KDulcimer Wrote:...then a dialog is shown which gives you the usernames and passwords.

Nonsense.  I encountered no such information.  What I encountered, AFTER an initial interrogation about my location, and so on, was an elegant photograph of a wave, spectacularly beautiful, with a login demand.  No such data as you suggest, was given to me, though, it ought NOT to have been provided, since I have no need for it.

I endeavored, perhaps unsuccessfully, to convey my irritation with the underlying philosophy behind the "live cd" released by TinyMe.

No, it was not perhaps, it was definitely not successfully transmitted, judging from these two responses.

md5?
what, you think that there is something defective in the disk I am using?

No of course not.  I did mention, right, that I tested it on two different machines, with different results.  Clearly, there was no problem with my download.  The disk I am using works just fine.

No, the problem is with your software engineering.  Judging from these two responses, you still don't understand me.

Let me try once more.

I again sought, on a third machine, another PIII, this same 2010 TinyMe, which I had downloaded this morning, to confirm, once more, that there is nothing wrong with the disk itself.  Again, as with the second example, in my previous post, the disk worked fine, until I reached a LOGIN screen.

I had clicked on the livedemo in the first interrogation, but what I was presented with, was a LOGIN screen, not a live demo.  This problem, the second problem, is a fatal error, in my opinion.

a.  How would I, or anyone else, know what information to insert here?  Do I appear clairvoyant to you?

Let me assure you, I am not.

b.  Why in the world would you, or anyone of your architects seek to EXCLUDE anyone, even a relative moron, like me, from testing this distribution, by placing an OBSTACLE in our path? What do you possibly accomplish by this action?  Do you incorrectly imagine that those of us with older hardware do not rig our machines to bypass all that login crap, so that the boot sequence is:  power on, desktop visible, one click to the internet?  That is how ordinary people use their computer. 99% of the world's people, use their own computer, and have no need to "login".  You are trapped in a time machine from 1969, when one computer was shared by a hundred different people.  Hardware capabilities render that nonsense irrelevant in the present era, and for the past three decades, in my opinion.

I submitted a post to the forum, because this is an obviously defective distribution.  Instead of focusing on the central problem, i.e. why TinyMe 2010 does not boot up on the Thinkpad, you are focused on my knowing a predetermined userid and password, both wholly irrelevant.

You advertise this distribution as designed for older hardware, then impose a restriction for entry, blocking me from accessing my own computer. 
Please rethink your rationale for imposing such a requirement.  Perhaps the solution to the more difficult problem, i.e. why the disk will not boot with the thinkpad, even though other distributions do boot up without difficulty, will occur to you, as you methodically go about the business of disabling all that login garbage.  Something is preventing your distribution from proceeding past the check of "scsi" peripherals on the Thinkpad, none of which have been present in any of my hardware for nearly thirty years now.

CAI ENG

[KDulcimer]

I think I've been able to track down what's happening. In the meantime, can you run this test for me?

Log in as root with the password 'root' and install TinyMe to a spare partition. Before rebooting the LiveCD, please open a file manager and look in the partition to which you just installed TinyMe. See if the file etc/LIVECD is there.

I assure you that the design and intent of TinyMe Beta 2 was to have a dialog box with the login information. I did run tests, but it appears something changed with the last ISO I built.

[caieng]

KDulcimer Wrote:Log in as root with the password 'root' and install TinyMe to a spare partition. Before rebooting the LiveCD, please open a file manager and look in the partition to which you just installed TinyMe. See if the file etc/LIVECD is there.

Thank you for your follow up message.

I succeeded in gaining access to the desktop by logging in as "root" with the password you provided.  Thanks.

I hope you will consider, in the final release of this beta version, disabling all of this login procedure for the live CD.  I know that it is some sort of religious fervor that compels folks to demand a login for an installed version, but for a live cd, i.e. a "test drive", is there really a need to login?

I found a different wall paper this time, very lovely, spring time with redbuds in bloom, wonderful.  Then, when I did reach the desktop, yet another wallpaper emerged, also attractive, sort of a prairie view.  I especially liked the upper right corner, with useful information about cpu useage.  Very well done.

I clicked once on Midori (Japanese word which means green) and encountered another error.  I saw Google appear on the screen for about 1/5 second, and upon reinvocation of Midori, I received acknowledgement that the previous invocation had led to an error, which was then repeated on second attempt, i.e. unable to connect to internet.

With regard to "installation" on a spare partition:  My understanding is that "live cd" does not install to any partition.  Is this incorrect?

To my way of thinking, if one has a couple hundred megabytes of memory, which all of my computers have, though I acknowledge that some of the older machines will not have that much memory, there would be no need to install any part of the operating system to hard drive, for the "live cd" experience.  Perhaps I err in this assumption.

I want to work with you, and try to help you figure out what is wrong, so that eventually, I will end up with Tiny Me 2010 that works the way I want, instead of the default modus operandi.

To that end, can you confirm, please, that you want me to "Install" the Tiny Me", rather than investigate the "live cd", or, am I wrong about the "live cd", so that when you wrote, above, "install to a vacant partition" you actually meant, manipulate the file manager using the live cd, but without installation?

I can "install" Tiny Me 2010, it won't be a vacant or "spare" partition, I will be destroying the material on the partition, but I won't mind doing that, for, in the worst case scenario, I will simply reinstall all of my other operating systems, if Tiny Me installation destroys, as I fear it will, the Master Boot Record, instead of permitting me to install Grub/Lilo on the Linux partition, instead of the MBR.  We are talking about 4 hours of my time, assuming a worst case scenario.  All of my important information has been backed up, so it is not a catastrophe, just a lot of effort for little gain....  Of course, if Tiny Me 2010 does not destroy MBR, as many of the other distros do (but including in that infamous group, neither Puppy nor Slackware!!), then, it will be entirely effortless to proceed with "installation"

I am writing to clarify that you do indeed need me to "install" this distribution, in order to investigate the presence or absence of a particular directory, etc/LIVECD, on the installed version of Tiny Me, rather than the Live CD version?

Sorry to be a tad obtuse.  Hope I can be of some assistance, eventually, once I have finally grasped precisely what, and how, I am supposed to accomplish this search for the elusive directory....

In the interim, I hope that somewhere, someone is thinking about my other problem, i.e. the main problem, which led me to post here:  Unable to boot this cdrom on Thinkpad a21.  Puppy linux boots from it, without effort, as does Vector linux from November 2009 (but not Slackware 12.0 or 13.0, parent distro of Vector, nor Vector itself, from last summer, i.e. August 2009.)

Thanks for your clarification of my assignment.

CAI ENG

[KDulcimer]

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
Thank you for your follow up message.

I succeeded in gaining access to the desktop by logging in as "root" with the password you provided.  Thanks.

I hope you will consider, in the final release of this beta version, disabling all of this login procedure for the live CD.  I know that it is some sort of religious fervor that compels folks to demand a login for an installed version, but for a live cd, i.e. a "test drive", is there really a need to login?
[/quote]

It can be done (in fact, that's the way Beta 1 was done), but I guess I just like giving the user the option of logging in as user or root.

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
I found a different wall paper this time, very lovely, spring time with redbuds in bloom, wonderful.  Then, when I did reach the desktop, yet another wallpaper emerged, also attractive, sort of a prairie view.  I especially liked the upper right corner, with useful information about cpu useage.  Very well done.

I clicked once on Midori (Japanese word which means green) and encountered another error.  I saw Google appear on the screen for about 1/5 second, and upon reinvocation of Midori, I received acknowledgement that the previous invocation had led to an error, which was then repeated on second attempt, i.e. unable to connect to internet.
[/quote]

Yep, we've had this error reported by somebody else, so you're not the only one getting it. When I get my main box unpacked I'll look into it.

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
With regard to "installation" on a spare partition:  My understanding is that "live cd" does not install to any partition.  Is this incorrect?
[/quote]

Yes. It just puts some stuff in RAM. It might use swap, I'm not sure.

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
To that end, can you confirm, please, that you want me to "Install" the Tiny Me", rather than investigate the "live cd", or, am I wrong about the "live cd", so that when you wrote, above, "install to a vacant partition" you actually meant, manipulate the file manager using the live cd, but without installation?
[/quote]

I mean for you to click on the installer icon on the desktop and run through the install process. Here's a write-up:

http://tinymelinux.com/doku.php/help:install

The part about setting up users is no longer valid (that's done on first boot after install).

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
I can "install" Tiny Me 2010, it won't be a vacant or "spare" partition, I will be destroying the material on the partition, but I won't mind doing that, for, in the worst case scenario, I will simply reinstall all of my other operating systems, if Tiny Me installation destroys, as I fear it will, the Master Boot Record, instead of permitting me to install Grub/Lilo on the Linux partition, instead of the MBR.  We are talking about 4 hours of my time, assuming a worst case scenario.  All of my important information has been backed up, so it is not a catastrophe, just a lot of effort for little gain....  Of course, if Tiny Me 2010 does not destroy MBR, as many of the other distros do (but including in that infamous group, neither Puppy nor Slackware!!), then, it will be entirely effortless to proceed with "installation"
[/quote]

TinyMe will offer you the choice of installing GRUB on the MBR or any partition. So be sure to remember to which partition you install TinyMe.

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
I am writing to clarify that you do indeed need me to "install" this distribution, in order to investigate the presence or absence of a particular directory, etc/LIVECD, on the installed version of Tiny Me, rather than the Live CD version?
[/quote]

On the installed version, yes. So if you installed TinyMe to, say, hda7, you would be looking for /mnt/hda7/etc/LIVECD or /media/disk/etc/LIVCD. And please check for it *before* you shut down the livecd.

[quote author=caieng link=topic=847.msg3466#msg3466 date=1263726070]
In the interim, I hope that somewhere, someone is thinking about my other problem, i.e. the main problem, which led me to post here:  Unable to boot this cdrom on Thinkpad a21.  Puppy linux boots from it, without effort, as does Vector linux from November 2009 (but not Slackware 12.0 or 13.0, parent distro of Vector, nor Vector itself, from last summer, i.e. August 2009.)
[/quote]

Looking at the error you got with the Thinkpad, try this. At the LiveCD's grub screen, tap F3, then type in 'noscsi' (without the quotes, of course).

[caieng]

KDulcimer Wrote:At the LiveCD's grub screen, tap F3, then type in 'noscsi' (without the quotes, of course).

Worked beautifully.  thanks.  IBM Thinkpad a21 is now in the process of undergoing install of Tiny Me 2010.

CAI ENG

[caieng]

Ah, success!!
yes, looks good on the ThinkPad a21.
hahaha, hurrah.

ok, so let's get back to business:

KDulcimer Wrote:So if you installed TinyMe to, say, hda7, you would be looking for /mnt/hda7/etc/LIVECD or /media/disk/etc/LIVCD. And please check for it *before* you shut down the livecd.

I installed to hda4.

I clicked on the lower left corner, which displayed a menu including:
Internet
Office
Graphics
Sound&Video
Tools
Games
Run
Logout

From there, I chose Tools, then, XTerm.  The message at the top of XTerm reads:
root@localhost: /union/root

I then typed pwd, and confirmed the above information. 
I typed cd /media/disk/etc/LIVCD
XTerm replied:  bash: cd: /media/disk/etc/LIVCD:  No such file or directory.

I repeated these steps several times, using both LIVCD and LIVECD, and instead of issuing the command cd, I simply typed in the same prompt:
/mnt/hda4/etc/LIVCD (and LIVECD) always receiving the same error message:
bash: /mnt/hda4/etc/LIVECD: No such file or directory.

I removed the cdrom, rebooted, watched a couple of minutes of text pass by, but then, the system just hangs:
localhost login:  Starting HAL daemon:  [OK] ok in green text.
below this is the prompt blinking at me, as though I am supposed to do something....

hmmm.

CAI ENG

[caieng]

So, I tried to login as root.
first I typed "r", but on the screen appeared not r, but p.
Then, I typed "o", but, instead, I saw "r"
In other words, the keyboard is not configured properly.

The message reads:
Unity release 2009 (Unity) for i586
Kernel 2.6.31.9-unity0.2.lgc on an i686 / tty1
localhost login:

CAI ENG